Tracing the Groves Genealogy

Last updated 20th May, 2023


 

My father, Edward Archibald Groves, the youngest of the eight children of Edward Groves and Janet Lawson Groves (maiden name Wyllie), was born on the 24th March 1917 in the village of Lesbury, about 4 miles from Alnwick, Northumberland, United Kingdom.  His siblings were Thomas (born 20th June 1902, Ayr), George Hugh (born 21st July 1903, Ayr), Margaret (1904), Jessie (1906),  Joan (1911), Sheila (1912) and Mary (1915).

My grandfather, Edward Groves, born 1875, began documenting his life story in 1957, the year I was born, which formed the basis of his memoirs. Extracts of these memoirs in terms of tracking his movement, to aid genealogy research into the Groves family and provide clues to identify siblings, offspring and other family members, are included on this webpage. In 1988, during a 4-month European tour, I successfully traced the birthplace of my father, Edward Archibald, to the tiny village of Lesbury. At the time, with the assistance of local folk and archival information and documents, I was also able to verify and enhance my understanding of important detail contained within the memoirs and in some cases, put dates to events in the life of Edward Groves. An example of this was the discovery of a newspaper article reporting on the visit of Harry Lauder to the Alnwick Convalescent Camp in 1917, which allowed me to date photographs taken by my grandfather of the event.

This process has continued, with the discovery of further documents from Ancestry, FamilySearch and other sources, where the memoirs have in turn provided invaluable information in terms of narrowing down the search criteria.

The Family Tree below (based on current information at the time of writing) begins with Thomas John Groves, the father of Edward Groves and spans 3 generations, so as to include my father, Edward Archibald Groves.

 
 

- The Groves Family Tree (4 generations) -

 

 

- The Groves Family Records -

 
My grandfather, Edward Groves, was born in Wateringbury, near Maidstone, Kent, England, on the 8th September 1875, the birth registered in East Peckham, Kent.  The birth certificate entry confirms the parents of of Edward Groves as Thomas and Margaret Groves (formerly Curley, as in Edward's marriage certificate to Janet Lawson Wyllie). The address of 9 Wild Court, Great Queen's Street, St. Giles in the Fields, confirms the 1881 census record, the latter though poorly transcribed!
 

The Birth Certificate of Edward Groves (entry 218).

 
The birth certificate of my grandmother Janet Lawson Wyllie confirms her date of birth as 16th August, 1881, in the Scottish County of Ayr. Her parents were George and Joan Wyllie (formerly Gebbie), residing at 36 Green Street Lane, Newton, Ayr. In fact, it is in his memoirs that Edward Groves mentions that he had only been three months at the regimental depot in Ayr when he was invited to the wedding of lance-corporal Hugh Rennie, the wedding being held at the house of one Mr. George Wyllie of Green Street Lane.
 

The Birth Certificate of Janet Lawson Wyllie. (entry 475).

 
     

 

Discovery of the marriage certificate of Edward Groves and Janet Lawson Wyllie from Scottish records reveals that the marriage was registered in the County of Ayr, Scotland, dated 11th September, 1901.  This document yields the names of the parents of Edward Groves as Thomas Groves, artificial florist, deceased and Margaret Groves (maiden surname not decipherable).  The parents of Janet Lawson Wyllie are stated as George and Joan Wyllie (maiden surname Gebbie). One of the marriage witnesses is Andrew Groves, brother of Edward Groves.  According  to the memoirs, sister Margaret was also present at the wedding.

     

The 1901 marriage certificate of Edward Groves and Janet Lawson Wyllie (entry 164).

     
A 1911 census record for Goudhurst, Kent, with the address given as the Vine Hotel. This initially confirms Margaret Groves (maiden name Curley) as head of the family but then the roles are subsequently changed as viewed from the perspective of the son Andrew as the Head.. From ongoing research, it is deduced that Susan is the daughter of Margaret Groves. Ten years old at the time, it is she who, after marrying a one Arthur Bottomley, is later missing and presumed  to have died in London's WWII bombing raids, according an anecdote by Edward Groves, who visits the family from South Africa in 1946. Louisa King (also referred to as "Louie") becomes the spouse of Andrew Groves in 1911, according to his military records. 
     
  Andrew Groves Son Single 26 Hotel Keeper
  Margaret Groves Head/mother Widowed 61 -
  Margaret Groves Daughter Single 30 Assistant in bar
  Susan Groves Niece Single 10 At school
  Louisa King Boarder Single 22 Assistant in bar
 

The 1911 census record for Goudhurst, Kent, with the address given as the Vine Hotel.

 
     

A 1911 census record exists for Edward Groves whilst he is in the military.

     

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The 1911 census record for Edward Groves, at the time he is in the military. The entry #17 marking his name is extracted from the list, as shown.

 
     
Discovery of a 1901 census record for the London civil parish of St. Giles in the Fields reveals the family resident at 39 Neal Street, St. Giles in the Fields:
   
  Margaret Groves Head Married 48 Artificial Florist
  William Groves Son Single 25 Masons Labourer
  Margaret Groves Daughter Single 21 Theatrical dresser
  Andrew Groves Son Single 18 Errand Boy
  Mary Groves Daughter Single 15 Errand Girl
 

The 1901 census record for 39 Neal Street, St. Giles -in-the-Field, London (entry 159).

     
This sets Margaret Groves's year of birth at 1853. All of those listed appear to have been born in St. Giles in the Fields, London.  It is assumed that at the time of the census (conducted in April, 1901), Margaret is listed as "married" but presumed widowed at this time, as is recorded on the marriage certificate of Edward's wedding to Janet Lawson Wyllie in Ayr, Scotland  (in September, 1901).
     
A second 1901 census record for the London civil parish of Lambeth provides a census record for Thomas Groves (son of Thomas Groves and Margaret Groves, maiden name Curley), wife Alice and family.
     
  Thomas Groves Head Married 31 Artificial Florist
  Alice Groves Wife Married 26  
  Alice Groves Daughter Single 5  
  Margaret Groves Daughter Single 3  
  Thomas Groves Son Single 1  
     

1901 census record for the London civil parish of Lambeth provides a census record for Thomas Groves (son of Thomas Groves and Margaret Groves, maiden name Curley), wife Alice and family.

 
An 1891 census record for the London civil parish of St. Giles in the Fields reveals the family resident at 62 Neal Street, St. Giles in the Fields:
 

Thomas Groves abt 1842 St Giles, London, England Head  (Flower maker-artificial) 45
Margaret Groves abt 1853 St Giles, London, England Wife  38
William Groves abt 1875 St Giles, London, England Son (Flower maker-artificial) 16
Edward Groves abt 1877 St Giles, London, England Son (Flower maker-artificial) 14
Alfred Groves abt 1878 St Giles, London, England Son (scholar) 13
Margaret Groves abt 1879 St Giles, London, England Daughter (scholar) 12
Andrew Groves abt 1884 St Giles, London, England Son (scholar) 7
Mary Groves abt 1886 St Giles, London, England Daughter   (scholar) 5

 

The 1891 census record for 62 Neal Street, St. Giles -in-the-Field, London (entry 911).

     
The eldest son, Thomas, present in earlier records, is absent in the above 1891 census.  Instead, from a FamilySearch record, he appears as a lodger at Goodwins Court, London, at the residence of what is presumed to be the Veal family.
 
 
A badly transcribed 1881 census record for the London civil parish of St. Giles in the Fields reveals the family resident at 9 Wild Court, St. Giles in the Fields:
 

Thos. Graves abt 1849  St Giles Head (Florist) 32
Magt. Graves abt 1853  St Giles Wife 28
Thos. Graves abt 1870  St Giles Son (scholar) 11
John Graves abt 1871  St Giles Son (scholar) 10
Hugh Graves abt 1873  St Giles Son (scholar) 8
Wm. Graves abt 1874  St Giles Son (scholar) 7
Ed. Graves abt 1876  Kent, England Son (scholar) 5
Alfred Groves abt 1878  St Giles Son   3
Magt. Groves abt 1879  St Giles Daughter 2
Anna Groves abt 1880  St Giles Daughter  6 months

 

The 1881 census record for Wild Court, St. Giles -in-the-Field, London (entry 176).

 
The inclusion of John, Hugh and Anna Groves are somewhat of a mystery, as they are not referred to in the 1891 census record nor in the memoirs of Edward Groves.
     
 
One generation back, an 1861 census record for the London civil parish of St. Giles in the Fields reveals a Groves family resident at 6 Little Whitesand Street, St. Giles in the Fields:
 

Deborah Groves abt 1850  London, England Daughter  St Giles  Middlesex
Emma Groves abt 1852  London, England Daughter  St Giles  Middlesex
Jno Groves abt 1860  London, England Son  St Giles  Middlesex
Mary Groves abt 1855  London, England Daughter  St Giles  Middlesex
Susan Groves abt 1829  London, England Wife  St Giles  Middlesex
Thos Groves abt 1816  London, England Head  St Giles  Middlesex
Thos Groves abt 1846  London, England Son  St Giles  Middlesex
William Groves abt 1857  London, England Son  St Giles  Middlesex

 

The 1861 census record for 6 Little Whitesand Street, St. Giles -in-the-Field, London (entry 388).

 
  • Is Thomas Groves, chimney sweep, born about 1816 and husband of Susan Groves,
  • the father of Thomas Groves, artificial florist,
  • grandfather of Edward Groves and
  • therefore possibly my great, great grandfather?
  • Where is Whitchurch Mansion, the institute of the Theatrical Guild where Thomas Groves, born 1870, is buried according to the memoirs of Edward Groves, who travelled to the United Kingdom in July, 1946 and went to visit him, before he died at the institution in December of that year?
  • It is alleged (as passed down through the family) that one of the brothers of Edward Groves emigrated to the United States. Could that have been John Groves or Hugh Groves, as nothing of them is mentioned in the memoirs of Edward Groves?
The marriage record for 1868 hopefully sheds more light on the 1861 census record:
 

THOMAS GROVES
  Male   Family

Marriages:
  Spouse:  MARGARET CURLEY  Family
  Marriage:  27 OCT 1868   Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London,
England

 

The Marriage Certificate of Thomas Groves and Margaret Curley at the Parish Church of St. Martins in the Fields in the County of Middlesex, 1868.

 
I wish to express my gratitude to Gill Joye and Karen Nichols for  their assistance in tracing some of the above records.
 

 

- The memoirs - chronology of events in the life of Ed Groves and family references -

 
The memoirs provide anecdotes and references to Edward's brothers and sisters, those mentioned being Tom, Jack, William (Bill), Andrew, Margaret (Mag) and Mary and next-generation offspring, including my father, Edward Archibald Groves, all of this proving a valuable source of information.  I thought that I would list the facts (extracts) as I know them to be at the present, in chronological order.
 

The Life of Edward Groves - the highlights:

Having enlisted in the Queen's Army in May, 1893, his mother attempts to reclaim him. He enlists with the Royal Welsh Fusiliers but decides, upon arrival at Aldershot, that this isn't for him and walks out, only to be caught about 3 miles up the road!
 
  • I joined the Third Militia Battalion Royal Fusiliers in May, 1893, and did the annual training at Hounslow. The following year, at St. George's Barracks, London, I enlisted in the Second Royal Welsh Fusiliers.
  • I lay a long time wondering what my mother, sisters and brothers were thinking about my absence from home, as I had never once been away without their knowledge.  As we emerged through the barrack gate, I saw Mother  and brother Bill waiting there with many others. My heart sank to my boots when I saw her step forward and in her best fighting voice say "Come on, my boy, no damned soldiering for you". Without halting us, the recruiting sergeant raised his hand and said "You're too late mother, he now belongs to the Queen". This brought tears my dear old mother's  eyes, but she very bravely followed us to the railway station, and saw us off, putting a half sovereign into my hand and kissing me for the first time I could remember.
  • Now we were off on our great adventure! Arrived at Aldershot, the biggest training camp of those days, we were met by Garrison Military Police, who took us to the various regiments to which we were posted, and handed us over to the orderly room. We were posted to A Coy. and told to report to our Company Office, but as the regiment was out on a field day, the whole barracks was empty. We had a look into the rooms, which appeared to our minds to be like so many stables or barns, with twenty beds along each side, all made up like rows of soldiers on parade, tabled in the centre, with plates and tea basins, big enough to wash in, all set out for a meal. 

  • This sight depressed us very much, and the fact that there was no one there to welcome us, together with the thoughts of my mother's tears at losing me, turned us both against being soldiers, and we decided to walk back home to London. We had the weird idea that as long as we had not worn military uniform, we could not be charged with desertion.
  • We had done about three miles, and were just passing through North Camp, when we ran almost into the arms of Garrison Provost Sergeant, who had seen us arrive at the station that morning, had recognised us at once, and had guessed what we were up to. He was a big brawny Irishman, and had a face that would terrify older men than we were, with a pair of really cross eyes. "Where are you boys off to", says he. I replied "We're just going for a walk until the troops get back". He replied "Well, I heard the bands of the South Camp playing some time ago, so they must be in now. Come along with me, and I'll show you a short cut to barracks". And taking me by the arm in a fatherly fashion, he walked with us all the way to the barracks, talking to us in a very nice way, and telling of his long service with his old regiment. Then he handed us over to our company.

 

The document confirms Edward Groves's enlistment into the Royal Welsh Fusiliers in May, 1894.

 
In October, 1894, the regiment is sent to Manchester but Edward Groves finds the duties tough. He hears from a friend in the Royal Scots Fusiliers, the unit he originally intended joining and decides to desert on 5th March, 1895.
 
  • .......the regiment was ordered to proceed to Manchester, to garrison that city, and in October, 1894, we entrained at Aldershot during the afternoon, and arrived in Manchester the next morning.

  • .......a letter I received from my pal Bill Scott, who was in the Royal Scots Fusiliers, telling me that his regiment was gazetted for service in India the next year, decided Jackman and I that we would go to Aldershot where the Scots Fusiliers were now stationed and join that regiment.

  • When we had originally enlisted in London, we had wanted to join the Royal Scots Fusiliers then, but as that regiment was closed to recruits, we were told that we could join another regiment and if, after a few months, we were not satisfied, we could apply for a transfer. We naturally fell for this, and applied so often that we both became marked men and decided to walk out - in fact DESERT! Jackman, still an officer's batman, had his civvy clothes, but I had sold mine. Jackman, however, managed to buy a suit from another batman.

  • On the night of March 5th, 1895, dressed in civvies, with our regimental red stripe trousers and greatcoats, we were inspected at the main gated guard room, and passed "fit to parade the streets of Manchester .

After travelling for several days down to London, he eventually reaches Aldershot, where he enlists into the Royal Scots Fusiliers on 11th March, 1895.
 
  • I reached Aldershot that night, and found one of my pals, Lance-Corporal Bill Scott, who took me along to the reception room, where I bedded down for my first night in my new regiment, the First Royal Scots Fusiliers.

  • The next morning, myself and two other were marched to the Cambridge Hospital for examination, and after passing the inspection, were taken to the orderly room, and sworn in and posted to H company, on March 11th, 1895. This made an absence of six days, but I was still guilty of the crime of fraudulent enlistment, which carried a very heavy punishment.
 

This document and others confirm Edward Groves's subsequent fraudulent enlistment into the Royal Scots Fusiliers in Aldershot, on 11th March, 1895.

 
Edward Groves serves in India.  In December 1898, an incident arises where he is bitten by a small spaniel that had "gone mad" and is recommended for vaccination against rabies, at the Pasteur Institute in Paris.  After treatment, he visits the family in England and returns to the address in Neal Street, St. Giles in the Fields.
 
  • We reached Newhaven at 4 p.m. and embarked on the London express which was standing on a platform beside the docks. My instructions were that I should report to Thos. Cook & Son on reaching London, for further orders, but as it was too late to call at their offices, I decided to go home and see my people first. So I left Charing Cross Station, crossed the Strand, along St. Martin's Lane, and down Neal Street - HOME! What a feeling! Sister Mag was out sweeping the pavements when she spotted me walking down the street. She dropped her broom and rushed into the house calling "Mother, here's Ed!"
Edward Groves requests a transfer to the regimental depot in Ayr, Scotland. Upon arrival, he is immediately granted leave, which he spends in London.  Note: The 1901 census record indicates Margaret Groves as being "married", though the memoirs refer to her as "widowed" around that time.
 
  • I did not show my eagerness and told him (Major Frere) that I had a widowed mother who would be glad to see me. He then gave me six weeks furlough on condition that I took over the mess (at Ayr) on completion.
  • Having three brothers working in theatres, I was able to get complimentary tickets to a good many shows, and at quite a few I went back stage, being introduced to various actors and actresses and generally having a very good time, until brother Bill had an argument with a policeman one night when we were all leaving a pub at closing time. The policeman gave Bill a hard shove and Bill resented this and gave the policeman a fourpenny one.
After serving at the Ayr depot for three months, he makes acquaintance with a one Janet Lawson Wyllie  [Birth certificate traced].
 
  • After a couple of months I decided, with Jessie's permission, to ask her father's sanction to marry, but he thought that we had not known each other long enough, so suggested that we wait for another three months. But this did not suit me, and after telling him that I loved his daughter and that she loved me, and that we intended to marry as soon as possible with or without his consent, I spoke to Mrs. Wyllie, who had a word or two with the old gentleman, resulting in our arranging to marry in a month. I applied for permission to marry at the orderly room, and this was granted, but as no married quarters were available, I would have to live out. The regimental conditions were that a soldier must have at least five years service and five pounds in a savings bank. So, on a pay of one and three pence a day and in September, we were married at the Free Gardiners' Hall in Ayr.
  • I had written to my mother as soon as we decided on our marriage, and she, with sister Mag and brother Andrew, came up from London to look over the bride to be and attend the wedding. She was perfectly satisfied with her future daughter-in-law, although she told me when I met her on the train that I ought to have sought a wife from my own town. She eventually became very fond of my choice.
  • I was promoted full corporal and on the same day that my promotion was in Depot Orders, I was called to the Ante Room where I found all the officers present and was handed a beautiful French regulator clock with all the officers names engraved on it.

Janet Lawson Wyllie on the day of her marriage in 1901 to Edward Groves, Ayr, Scotland; A young Janet Lawson Wyllie flanked by her brothers Archie and Doddie; Archie, the brother of Janet Lawson Wyllie, who was killed during WWI.

 
After the wedding and on a regimental pass, they visit London.
 
  • That night with my wife, mother, brother and sister, we boarded the London train, whilst a good crowd of Scots relations and friends gathered to see us off. Arrived at Euston Station the next morning at 6, we hired a four-wheeler (cab) and drove home to find them all expecting us and with breakfast waiting. My wife won the hearts of all who met her, and with her Scots accent and dainty figure she completely captivated my elder brothers and their wives.
  • My brother Tom had brought us two complimentary tickets for seats in the old Gaiety Theatre to see "The Shop Girl". Before taking our seats Tom arranged to meet me at the pub, which we did, but we took longer over it than we should have. When I returned, I found the curtain up and the second act in progress and I could not very well get to my seat which was right in the centre, without disturbing others. I stood at the back waiting for a chance that never came. As the final curtain fell, I rushed for the door and was out with the first rush, meeting brother Tom waiting for us to come out. Whilst chatting, my wife passed us in the crowd without being seen by Tom or me, and stood on the kerb nearby waiting for me. Not having yet seen her, Tom and I made our way quickly inside, but only the cleaners were left, covering the seats with the dust sheets. We were beginning to feel desperate by then, and commenced to run around the block, and just as I turned the corner into Southampton Street, from the Strand, I saw my wife standing on the edge of the pavement sobbing bitterly with a big fat policeman standing near her. I went quickly to her side and pacified her as well as I was able, explaining to the policeman what had happened. He was most apologetic and told me that he had watched the girl standing at the theatre exit scanning the crowds as they came out and when asked what she was waiting for, replied that she was waiting for her husband. When asked where she lived, she could not tell him, as she had not the foggiest idea, could not even tell him in what direction it lay, and so he concluded that she was up to no good and moved her on. Tom joined the party and began to shoot his neck out at the policeman, so we called a cab and drove home. My wife was so distressed over this incident, that she would not let me leave her for a moment whenever we were out together after that, and the remainder of our leave passed without further trouble.
Edward and Janet Lawson Groves live in Ayr for at least a couple of years, sons Tom and George Hugh being born there in 1902 and 1903 respectively  [Birth certificates traced].
 
  • My son Tom began to crawl about the mess and became a worry to his mother and me, for we could scarcely keep him penned in the small bed room we used, and most of his time was spent in the kitchen, where he was taught all sorts of tricks by the mess servants. His favourite spot was in a huge iron coal box kept below the stairs and most times when he was missing he could be found half buried in coal and covered completely with coal dust. It was in this state that I found him one day, sitting in the middle of the Ante Room, when the bell rang and I went to answer it. What a sight met my eyes! Tom sitting there, enjoying his surroundings and four or five officers roaring with laughter, one officer remarking to me as I entered "Good God, Sergeant Groves, what is that!" I picked Tom up and put him under my arm and said "This is my big son Sir," and took him down stairs, handing him over to his mum who gave him a spanking and a good wash, but we never completely cured him of his love of coal.

Shortly after the birth of their second son, George Hugh, Edward Groves decides to return to the Regiment in India.
 
  • It soon became clear that Tom was going to have a playmate, and I began to realise that the work in the kitchen was keeping my wife tied down too much, but she dreaded me telling the officers, that she wanted to leave, as she had become very much liked. In fact, the combination of a good cook and a caterer that knew his job was something not easily obtained in depot messes. After talking it over many times between ourselves and her parents, I decided to volunteer to go back to India, as soon after her confinement as possible.

  • My second son came along in a hurry, 10 days before we expected him, and a lusty brute he was, with a shock of dark hair and a pair of lungs that shook the wall pictures. We were glad to get him out of the mess, into his grandparent's place, where we stayed a couple of weeks before leaving.

The only known photograph of "ma" Groves, possibly taken outside the greengrocer owned by her in London, in the vicinity of Cornwall Street, near Waterloo Station. Here she is flanked by Louie (Louisa King) (*), future wife of Andrew Groves (*) and one of her sons, Tom Groves, the eldest brother of Ed Groves, my grandfather. Also in the photograph is Sue, believed to be Susan Margaret Groves, the only daughter of Margaret Groves (*). It is she who, after marrying a one Arthur Bottomley, goes missing during WWII, presumably during a bombing raid.

Two photos of Edward's sister Margaret Groves, who later settled in Hendon, North London and became a dresser to English stage actress, Margaret Yarde.

Thomas, the eldest son of Edward Groves, with his first-born in this playful scene, probably taken in Milngavie, Glasgow.

* Revised 2023

 
Prior to leaving Ayr for India in 1902, Ed's brothers pay them a visit from London.
 
  • Before leaving Ayr, four of my brothers wrote saying that they would like to spend a few days with me before I left, and I sent a telegram and received a reply saying that they would leave the following morning, reaching Ayr station at 9 p.m. I engaged rooms with friends I had near the barracks, and arranged for them to feed in the sergeant's mess. I met them at the station, brothers Tom, Jack, Bill and Andrew, AND Uncle George Wells. After supper a sing-song was held at which brother Jack excelled and we all in turn had to do something.
Several years are spent in India and Burma with the Regiment, until 1909. It is in Rangoon, Burma (now Myanmar), where daughter Jessie Lawson is born. According to records found, the year was 1909 however Edward Groves is uncertain of the exact year in his memoirs.
 
  • Margaret Joan Groves, born in 1904, was christened at St. Paul's convent by a Roman Catholic priest, a married corporal and his wife standing as god-parents and very soon after, the companies were ordered to return to Allahabad. With many regrets we bade farewell to this delightful life and after the various changes, reached our station to find that we were under orders for a change from Allahabad to Bareilly, circa 1906.
  • On March 12th (1906 1909), my wife went across to the hospital and gave birth to another fine little girl baby. She was christened at the Presbyterian church in town by the Rev. Mr. Drysdale, and named Jessie Lawson, the latter half being taken from an aunt of her mother's.
  • At Christmas time, 1909, our daughter Mag was taken to hospital on the 23rd with a mild attack of malaria, and this caused a general feeling of depression, as we had made great preparations to give them such a party they would always remember. On the morning of Christmas, I went to see the matron in the hospital, who told me that Mag was much better and that we could steal her out of the ward, while she was at a party in her own quarters, but we must promise to have her well wrapped in blankets and be sure to bring her back by 10 o'clock. That is what we did, and did they enjoy themselves. The next morning the doctor said she could leave, and we carried her home across the road with trumpets and drums making a din. A few days after Christmas I had news that my name was included in a batch of long service sergeants for home leave, and did I want to take it.

The wives of the regiment's soldiers in India. Janet Lawson Groves (born Wyllie) in striped blouse, pictured middle row seated, with son George Hugh, born 1902, at her side. The eldest son, Thomas Edward, born 1902, is in the bottom right of the photograph.

A stunning Janet Lawson Groves, seated right, flanked by daughter Margaret, born 1904 in Darjeeling, West Bengal. Seated in front are Thomas Edward and George Hugh.

 

More photos from India. A studio photo of the eldest offspring of Edward and Janet Lawson Groves, in India - Tom, Margaret Joan and George Hugh.

Janet Lawson Wyllie, pictured once more with the children - Margaret Joan, Tom and George Hugh (front).

 
 
 
Edward and Janet Lawson return to Cornwall Road, London, where the family are now based.
 
  • We reached Waterloo station and the military police swooped on us for not wearing our waistbelts. These being public property, had to be left behind with our other equipment - rifles, packs, etc., and I told them they could go to Rangoon to find mine. He took my name and number, but I heard no more about it. We got a four-wheeler cab and I packed my wife and Jessie in with the luggage, told the cabby where to go and with the two boys and Mag, walked the short distance to Cornwall Road where my mother lived. The five minutes walk took us nearly 20 minutes and my people were beginning to wonder what had happened, and when we turned into our street, there was a combined shout of "Here they come", and a rush of sisters and brothers to escort us home. My dear old mother  was in tears, and would not let the children out of her sight. More brothers and sisters-in-law arrived and the house, which was on the small side, was jammed.
They also visit the Wyllie family in Glasgow. It is in the year or two leading up to 1911 that Edward's mother Margaret relocates to The Vine Hotel in Goudhurst, Kent.
 
  • I received a letter from my mother saying that she had an opportunity of buying a pub and could I possibly come down to advise her about it. I left the family staying with her people and caught the night train down. I found them all very excited and heard all about it in a very short time. The pub was called the Vine Hotel, in Goudhurst, Kent, and we all knew it very well, as a busy little place, especially during the hop picking season. Having decided on a life in the country, my sister Mag, brother Andrew and I, went down the next day and after a talk we arranged to take over the place for 400 pds, after a valuation had been made. We went to the police court and made sure there would be no obstacle about the transfer, saw the brewers who were perfectly satisfied with us, and put up for the night at the Three Bells. We sat yarning in the bar until closing time and fixed up with the boss for the beds as we intended catching an early train to London. We were up very early and before leaving, made up two dummies in our beds and left without wakening anyone. We heard plenty about those dummies later. We had a rough check of the stock in the small grocery shop that my mother had, and we got a satisfactory offer from a nearby grocer, who cleared us out the next day. We next engaged a furniture removal firm and they packed everything we had into a large pantechnicon and railed it to Goudhurst from where it was drawn to the village and unpacked into the Vine Hotel, which we had taken over the previous day. The two valuers had been round the stock and furnishings with brother Andrew and I, and we were both well satisfied with everything and became publicans. This all took place about six weeks before the hop picking commenced, and we had these few days in which to get acclimatised to the trade.

[Note: According to Goudhurst history material, T. James Thurgood was landlord in 1881 and 1891 and probably from about 1867 until his death in 1895. In 1901, the landlord was John Barrow and his wife Bessie. Although Barrow did not die until 1932 he appears to have given up the Vine by 1915. It is not certain when Barrow took over the Vine, various anecdotes in the Goudhurst Coronation (1937) and Jubilee  (1935) books say he was there 10 or 20 years, so it is possible he took over from Thurgood. Apart from a note which says Groves ran the Vine there is no definite information regarding them in the above mentioned books, the only thing which is indicated is that they  seem to have come after Barrow and before Popplewell (whoever he was ) and Dench - E A Dench was landlord by 1927 according to the Goudhurst entry in the Kent Kelly's Directory.  Street directories in Tunbridge Wells  reference library has a 1911 entry for an A. Groves at the Vine Hotel. This is the only time Groves is listed, but they must have taken over from Barrow as he is included in the 1908 directory, there isn't one for 1909, and 1910 has no entry for the Vine.  Someone called M. Ticehurst followed Groves, 1912 -1914. - Courtesy Gill Joye, Goudhurst Parish Historical Society.] The entry for A.Groves possibly refers to Andrew Groves.

 
Edward Groves returns to the Regiment in India and Rangoon, Burma, whilst the family remain in Glasgow. The Regiment is gazetted for a move to South Africa six months later and he reaches Durban, Natal, one early morning in January, 1910, as stated in the memoirs. This being the case, it implies that his assistance in the family move to Goudhurst, Kent must have taken place at least six months earlier, in 1909. During this period that he is away from the family, Joan Gebbie is born, in Glasgow, in 1911. It is assumed his wife and family join him shortly after that.
 
  • I began to hear rumours of the return of my wife and children, and spent some time cleaning up in the house and putting things in shape. I had almost forgotten to mention the increase that had occurred in our family. This happened three months after I had left Glasgow, when Joan Gebbie Groves was introduced to the world.
Edward Groves is based with the Regiment at Roberts Heights in Pretoria, South Africa.  Sheila is born there in 1912.
 
  • It was shortly after this (Torch Light Tattoo) that my wife had to go to hospital in the usual hurry, and the following day another daughter was born. Her name was bestowed on her by the Irish nurse attending my wife, who suggested "Why not call her Sheila", and so this bonnie wee thing became Sheila Groves.

Groves family photographs. Janet Lawson surrounded Thomas, the eldest son (left), Maggie, the eldest daughter (rear), Jessie (right) and little Joan, born 1911. Photograph circa 1911, Scotland.

This photograph was probably taken at Roberts Heights, Pretoria, Transvaal, South Africa. (L to R) George (rear), Jessie (front), baby Sheila, born at Robert's Heights in 1912, Joan, Thomas and Margaret.

 

More family photos. (L to R) (Rear) Thomas, mother Janet Lawson, Jessie, father Edward and George. (Front) Baby Sheila, Margaret and Joan. This photograph may have either have been taken at Robert's Heights or in Scotland.

George and Tom in their kilts and glengarry hats, uniform of the Queen Victoria School in Dunblane - location of photograph unknown.

 

Yet more family photos. Margaret Joan Groves, the eldest daughter.

Mother Janet Lawson with the three girls, holding little Joan with Maggie (left) and Jessie (right).

The Knights family, Mrs Knight with her husband, who was the Band Sergeant for the Royal Scots Fusiliers Regiment, with little Violet, who later married George, the second son of Edward and Janet Lawson. George and Violet had been playmates together as children.

 
Edward Groves is awarded his long service medal after 18 years service, probably around 1911.  He leaves South Africa and returns to the United Kingdom in 1914, a journey by sea lasting 18 days. Soon after his arrival at Gosport, he is promoted to colour sergeant. There is no further mention in the memoirs of his mother, Margaret Groves, the last being at the time of the family's move from central London to the Vine Hotel in Goudhurst. Since Edward Groves had left the family environment in 1910, it is reckoned that she had passed away in 1912.
 
  • I now became entitled to my Long Service and Good Conduct medal, after having dodged all obstacles for eighteen years and this cost me a drink round the sergeants' mess. Later when it was confirmed from Whitehall, and published in Battalion Orders, another drink! And finally on the day of the presentation before a whole brigade of troops, the medal was pinned on by the G.O.C. and FINAL DRINKS!

  • The news had leaked out that the regiment would be leaving South Africa during the trooping season of 1914; this was confirmed by a notice in Battalion Orders, but so far, no idea of where we were going.

  • The voyage was a very rough one and we suffered a lot of seasickness which resulted in Tom, George and myself having to carry the girls up on deck from their cabin every day. It was particularly bad on the last few days and everyone kept below deck, and the hatches were all battened down. The ship rolled so much that cabin trunks would slide from one side to the other and the rattle of enameled plates and mugs could be heard all day and night, and we were a most thankful crowd to reach the end of a most exciting voyage.

Tom and George are sent to The Queen Victoria School in Dunblane, Scotland.
 
  • At this time, too, we had a reminder from the Queen Victoria school at Dunblane, that a number of vacancies had been kept open for boys of our regiment. This was entirely a military school, for training sons of soldiers to become N.C.O.’s and while in South Africa, notification was published in Battalion orders that a number of vacancies were available and calling for nominations. These were soon taken up, and the names were sent from South Africa to the school, Tom and George being among those chosen. Now it was time for the boys to join the school, and I was selected to conduct the party. I did not enjoy it one little bit, as I was taking a number of boys, with whom I had been closely associated since their babyhood, and had played games with them, taken them on trek and spent a good deal of my spare time amusing them, and I did not like very much the idea of suddenly being parted from them.
Edward Groves serves in Belgium, during the First World War.
 
  • War was declared between Great Britain and Germany on August 4th, 1914, and every day after that, training became harder and each day found me at the Q.M. Stores taking delivery of war stores and equipment.
  • We found the men a bit difficult at first, many of them going to hospital with minor complaints after spending too many hours in the regimental canteen, but on the 13th August, when we marched to war, the whole battalion, nearly a thousand strong, passed a group of M.O.'s and not a single man was pronounced unfit.
  • I had already spent two hours with my wife and family trying without much success to ease the load from her heart. We all realised what we were up against, for this war had been brewing for some years, and we knew that we were going out to fight against the finest European army that had ever existed, and my wife told me later that when I left that day, she thought she had said good-bye to me forever!

WWI images taken by my grandfather. Top row L to R in the trenches. Bottom row L to R, a group of sergeants; images of German prisoners, Neuve Chapelle, northern France. This was during the Retreat from Mons, when in August and September 1914, Allied forces were pushed back from the coal-mining town of Mons in southern Belgium all the way south to the Marne, which is where Edward Groves suffered injuries after being shot in the leg.

 
Sometime after 6th September, 1914, Edward Groves is wounded in battle, around Mons, a coal-mining town.
 
  • The enemy attacked furiously and their gunners found our range, and were sending hundreds of high explosive shell over, and causing heavy casualties, and whilst lying in the open trying to stem their infantry attack, I felt a dull thud on the left leg, and looking back to see what it was, found my puttee ripped off my leg, and a ghastly wound there.
  • A letter from home at last! My family had been hurriedly evacuated from Gosport barracks, and had taken refuge at my sister Mag's house. This happened to all the married families as the quarters were required to accommodate the new Kitchener army, which was being organised by the thousands of men, who were volunteering for service. My wife told me in her letter how concerned they all were when they read in the casualty list that I was DANGEROUSLY WOUNDED, but my letter eased their minds considerably.

  • We were told off in parties to the various V.A.D. hospitals, our names, etc., taken, and rushed off in taxis, and it was all over in a few minutes. I was taken to a girls' college in Pimlico, which was in grounds enclosed by large iron railings, and as soon as I found out the proper address, I sent a wire to my wife, who came to see me the next day, and brought (the children) Mag, Jessie, Joan and Sheila.
 
After treatment lasting several days, he is discharged.  It is interesting to note that Edward Groves states in his memoirs, after his return from the war front in Belgium and France during WWI, having sustained an injury, that “Alf was away with the Royal Welsh Fusiliers, and was killed before I could meet him.” The military records of Alfred Groves paint a different, tragic picture however. He survives the Great War but succumbs to a self-inflicted illness that leads to disability and his death sometime after the 8th April 1919,. Was the reality of his brother Alfred’s condition hidden from Edward or was the shame within the family too great to bear and therefore concealed. We shall never know.
 
  • I met my brothers, Tom and Andrew; Alf was away with the Royal Welsh Fusiliers, and was killed before I could meet him. I made the most of my leave, and managed to get the two boys, Tom and George, down from the Dunblane School for a few days, which we spent doing the sights of London. I felt at this time that it would not be hard to get them away from the Queen Victoria School, as there would be many soldiers' widows who would welcome such a chance for their sons, and I could feel, in my talks with the boys, that they were not in love with the place. I told them I would try this, as soon as I was settled, and they went back more happily.
  • I attended the hospital every morning, at 10 a.m., was dressed and told how well the wound was healing, and on the eighth day, I was given my discharge.
Edward Groves is recommended for the appointment of Regimental Sgt. Major to a large Convalescent camp in Alnwick, Northumberland, where the youngest of the eight children, is born in Lesbury, 4 miles away.
 
  • John Forbes, the acting C.O., with whom I had been closely associated for over 20 years, always had a high opinion of my work. I stood at the orderly verandah waiting my turn when the Sgt. Major roared out "Col. Sgt. Groves, shun! Right turn, quick march", and I stood at attention facing Major Forbes who, with a smile on his face said "Col. Sgt. Groves, I have been asked by Northern Command to recommend a reliable and trustworthy N.C.O. for the appointment of Regimental Sgt. Major to a large Convalescent camp in Northumberland, and with the utmost confidence, I have selected you; how do you consider it?" Without hesitation, I thanked him for this confidence in me, and promised to do my best to deserve it.
  • I went back to camp, and found a message from the Sgt. Major, addressed "Sgt. Major E. Groves - Proceed Alnwick Convalescent camp early as possible - Rail warrant attached".
  • I had almost forgotten to mention that before leaving (Lesbury), our youngest son elected to be born there! He does not remember anything about this beautiful old-world village, but I can assure him that if ever he has the good fortune to visit it, I am certain he will fall in love with it. He was christened inside the cottage from a large cut glass bowl by the local Padre and named Edward Archibald Groves. And what a load he was!

The Groves family in Northumberland. Janet Lawson holds the youngest in her arms, my father Edward Archibald Groves, with Jessie and Mary ti her right and Sheila and Margaret to her left, Joan in front.

Meldon cottage, Lesbury, circa 1917. Along with the eldest of the family, Margaret Groves, and Joan Groves, are the six boys from Queen Victoria School, Dunblane, Scotland, these being Alfred Osborne, George Groves (front, extreme left), Thomas Groves (back row, second from right), Alfred Trout, David Mitchell, and George Mitchell. The Roman water pump, a listed building, lies to the left of the cottage, which is one of 3 semi-detached cottages, the others being Rose and Jasmin cottages. I first discovered my father's birthplace in 1988, documented here but then returned again in 2004, to photograph the home - click here.

 

The six boys of Dunblane, including Tom and George, sons of Edward Groves, as well as daughter Maggie, were incorporated into an acrobatics and tumbling team which formed part of the entertainment of the troops organised by my grandfather as Regimental Sergeant-Major at Alnwick Convalescent Camp. The photograph also shows their trainer, Fizzer Brown. During my first visit to Alnwick in 1988, I was able to discover articles from the Alnwick and County Gazette, a local newspaper, referring to my grandfather in his time at the camp. These extracts are included here.

The six boys of Dunblane, including Tom and George, sons of Edward Groves, with two of the women from the W.A.A.C.(Women's Army Auxiliary Corps).

The six boys of Dunblane at the Alnwick Convalescent Camp huts.

 
Tom and George are moved from the Queen Victoria School in Dunblane to the Duke of Northumberland School in Alnwick.
 
  • I asked the Colonel's permission to bring six boys from Dunblane  for a holiday camp, first having obtained permission from the Commandant of the school, and he placed a hut at their disposal, with a full blown Sgt. to look after them, and the boys had a great time, paying an occasional visit to Lesbury. They also put on a rather good show at several concerts, when they did physical drill, boxing and wrestling. It was shortly after this holiday that Tom and George returned home for good, and they were not sorry! They were both taken into the Duke of Northumberland's school, which school, until then, had admitted boys of the country, but with a little help from Mrs. Riddell and the Duke's Chaplain, Canon Mangin, the crusty old Duke was persuaded to break the rule, and both Tom and George did very well there.

The family are moved from Lesbury to Narrowgate, Alnwick (just behind Alnwick Castle), to be closer to where Edward Groves is located at the Alnwick Convalescent Camp. The memoirs do not mention the birth of the youngest daughter Mary, who was born in Glasgow prior to the move to Alnwick.
 
  • The W.A.A.C.(Women's Army Auxiliary Corps) began to come into existence as cooks, waitresses and other duties, and I thought we were going to have some trouble, but orders were issued that no man could be allowed to speak to a woman on the camp roads. Several men who broke this rule were punished, but the order gradually lapsed especially when seats were booked together in the cinema.

  • New quarters were built at the top of the camp for these women, and a new hut was built for warrant officers, containing five separate rooms. I think Tom, George and Mag will remember this, as they were often inside. As I was beginning to find myself tied to the camp, and not being able to get to Lesbury as often as I wished, I began to look for a suitable house in Alnwick, and found a satisfactory one in Narrowgate, which would become vacant at the month end.

  • Our youngest daughter Mary, was taken suddenly very ill with severe bronchitis, and a Capt. McGill of the R.A.M.C. came out by car to attend to her. It was snowing heavily at the time, and he rigged a steam kettle beside Mary's bed, and the doctor, with Mum and I, sat through the night at her bedside. The following day saw a decided improvement and Dr. McGill considered she could be left with safety in her Mother's good hands, and returned to camp. He visited us daily for several days, but Mary never looked back, and when we moved to our new house, she was as fit as a fiddle.

The family at an open-day event at the camp. (L to R) George, Tom, Joan, Jessie and Sheila (slightly out of picture).

The six boys from Dunblane on the hillside near Alnwick Castle and the Alnwick Convalescent Camp, including George and Tom, along with two of the sisters, Jessie and Joan. Seated front left is my father, Edward Archibald.

 

A family photograph at Alnwick Castle. (L to R) George (rear), Sheila, Jessie, Mary, Margaret, Edward Archilbald, George (rear) and Joan.

This priceless photograph shows Thomas Groves in uniform, at a fireplace, with ornaments on the mantelpiece. This photo is thought to have been taken at Meldon cottage in Lesbury or at the home on Narrowgate, Alnwick.

 
An armistice is signed on 11th November, 1918. Soon after Edward Groves is amongst those dramatically pensioned off!  Tom and George leave home to join the service.
 
  • During this period an army order was published stating that all men in receipt of a pension should be discharged immediately, and their places filled by serving men of equal rank, and as I had become pensionable during the war, this order affected me very much. I was now faced with the task of competing with thousands of younger men who would soon be flooding the streets, looking for work which would all be so strange to me after 25 years of my life spent in the army. We had absolutely nothing in the way of furniture, and except for the little bit my wife had wisely put into the Post Office savings bank, we were due for a bad crash.
  • A short time before this happened, Tom and George had decided to leave home to join the service. Tom chose the R.A.F. and George the Royal Navy, and both had passed their entrance examinations some time previously.
Edward Groves decides that there are no prospects in England and resorts to moving to South Africa, after being contacted by an army associate. He bids farewell to the family in London. His brothers Tom and Andrew try and persuade him to stay. Both sisters Margaret and "Louis" (maiden name Louisa King, wife of Andrew) are residing at Walworth Road at the time, close to Elephant and Castle. (As it turns out later, this address is his first port of call upon his first return to England many years later, in 1946. The address of "188 Walworth Road" is also cited in the military records of Andrew Groves however the fact that he served in WWI is not mentioned in the memoirs of Edward Groves). The decision is taken for him to go out to South Africa alone, with the family following later.
 
  • I left the camp for the last time, and became, for the first time in my life, one of the millions of unemployed! I had my pension and wound gratuity, which proved most useful, and had a whole week's holiday with the family before looking for another job.
  • I received a letter from Col. E.I.D. Gordon, who was farming in South Africa. I had been associated with this officer for many years in my old regiment, and we had known each other very well. He wrote from Elgin in the Cape Province, pointing out that there were prospects in this growing community for a man of my ability to run a general dealer's business together with a licensed inn. He said he had an option on such a place and considered I should do very well there.
  • Meanwhile the thoughts of the probability of our being back in the sunshine again and away from the ever present cold, fog and slush of England, buoyed us up and made work seem lighter. We talked it over with Tom and George, who, I thought, would grieve at our leaving, but I was gratified to learn that they were both in favour of us taking up the offer, and there and then we made the decision, and I got in touch with the overseas Settlement Association.
  • I had decided to go out alone and find out personally what the actual prospects were, and then cable to my wife in a code which we arranged, whatever I thought she should do. The second letter from Col. Gordon arrived and as the contents made satisfactory reading, we decided to carry out our original plan.
  • I left Chester for London four days before sailing and stayed with my sister and Louis in Walworth Road. My brothers, Tom and Andrew, did everything to try and persuade me to alter my mind, about leaving, but by now I was thoroughly set on carrying out what I had undertaken, that nothing they said made the slightest impression. I had already written to Col. Gordon telling him the name of the ship I was sailing on, and when the day arrived, they all came to Cannon Street Station to see me off. I reached Tilbury Docks at noon, and had no difficulty in finding the Dunnoter Castle, which was standing out in mid-stream, and with a number of other passengers, boarded a launch and was taken out to the ship.

Andrew Groves enlists with the British Army on 21 June 1916 and joins the Northumberland Fusiliers.

 

An important military document noting the marriage of Andrew Groves to spouse Louisa King on 30th June 1911 in Cranbrook (near Goudhurst, where the Vine Hotel is located). It also cites their current address as "188 Walworth Road" and lists the birth dates of their two children, William Thomas and Margaret Louisa. Further military documents reveal that he sees out the war and is officially demobilized without claiming disability on 29th May 1919.

 
Edward Groves arrives in Cape Town by boat and is accompanied to the village of Elgin, roughly 42 miles from the city at the tip of southern Africa. His first impressions of the village of Grabouw, where the family were to settle, are not favourable.  The family arrive later by boat and are transported to Grabouw, where they settle down well. Edward Groves then purchases land in Grabouw and proceeds to build a hotel.
 
  • ......we eventually sailed into Cape Town docks, where I found a telegram from Col. Gordon telling me he would meet me the next morning, and saying he had booked a room for me at a hotel in Long Street.
  • On arrival at Elgin, we were met by the District Forest Officer, Mr. Elder, who drove us to Grabouw , the village that was to become my home, and I find it difficult to analyse my thoughts after my first glance at the place. We stopped at the Travellers' Rest and Grabouw Stores, which I had been appointed to manage, and this seemed at first to be the only building in sight, but on walking around with Mr. Elder, I found a branch Post Office tucked away in a corner room, and a few yards away on one side was a small church. A small school existed, and about four nondescript houses, and one side of what was called the Market Square. Not a very appetising picture for a newcomer.
  • I sent a cable in code, telling my wife that "everything was fine, and to come as soon as possible", and I heard later that they were not long in packing the things they intended bringing and selling up the remainder on which they lost heavily.

  • The arrival of my family took me to Cape Town, where I engaged a lorry with a trailer to carry them and the baggage out to Grabouw, and what a load it was. We found when we reached Sir Lowry's Pass that the lorry with the trailer could not manage the climb, and so the trailer was uncoupled and left at the Sir Lowry Hotel, whilst the lorry took the family on to Grabouw. After disembarking them, we had to drive all the way back to pick up the trailer, which was loaded with all our kit. I found, on checking, that we had lost a roll of carpets, rugs and a gold mounted presentation walking stick, and although many enquiries were made, these articles never came to light again.

  • The family all settled down well, my wife having taken over the Travellers' Rest, and with the help of her eldest daughter Mag, became popular, so that business there became very brisk, and our Inn was frequently full up. I was concerned principally with the Grabouw Stores, which, in those days, had a turnover of about 600 pounds a month, and was open from 6 a.m. until all hours at night, generally around 10 p.m.

  • As our lease on the Travellers' Rest was running out, we decided to move to another spot close by and build a new hotel with the object of trying to obtain a liquor license for the place. It was at one time our intention to buy the old place and rebuild on this, but on the advice of a friend, Mr. McVey, who told me it would cost much less to build a completely new hotel, and added to this the fact that the owners were asking far too much, we bought six plots of ground at 6 pounds each and borrowed 1500 pounds from the Caledon Board of Executors, and proceeded to draw up our plans.

Edward Groves purchases land in Grabouw and proceeds to build a hotel, known as Forrester's Cottage. His eldest daughter Margaret marries Edward Schmidt and their first child, "Miff", is born.
 
  • As our lease on the Travellers' Rest was running out, we decided to move to another spot close by and build a new hotel with the object of trying to obtain a liquor license for the place. It was at one time our intention to buy the old place and rebuild on this, but on the advice of a friend, Mr. McVey, who told me it would cost much less to build a completely new hotel, and added to this the fact that the owners were asking far too much, we bought six plots of ground at 6 pounds each and borrowed 1500 pounds from the Caledon Board of Executors, and proceeded to draw up our plans.

  • I apologize for not recording a family event of some note. I refer to the wedding of my oldest daughter, Margaret Joan and Mr. Edward Schmidt.

  • Later several parties were held in the Forester's Cottage, where their first son, Miff, was born. About this name of Miff, and how it came about, this is the correct solution. When only two years old, and whilst at the Queens Hotel, Somerset West, a woman boarder was very fond of chasing him about the hotel, and after catching him, would demand his name. All that he could answer was sort of vague corruption of Schmidt, which sounded much like Miff, and this is what he was christened, and it has stuck like glue ever since. This paragraph is a little before its time, as shortly after Miff's appearance on the scene, we were forced to leave Grabouw .

The family are then forced to leave Grabouw when Edward Groves encounters opposition from a local farming lobby in obtaining a liquor licence and fails to do so at great cost. In addition, the Grabouw Stores where he is employed is also sold by Colonel Gordon. He is promised financial support to enable him to buy the Queen's Hotel in Somerset West but that also falls through. In the interim the family have moved to Somerset West, a seaside town on the Cape Town side of the Hottentots Holland mountains. He finds a job at a factory in The Strand, another seaside town a few miles away.
 
The family move to the seaside town of The Strand, just outside Cape Town, into the home fondly remembered for years to come as "Everest". I had previously always assumed that the second eldest son George had never set foot in South Africa, have carved out a career in the Navy in England. This is not true. In fact he and Violet came out to South Africa and were married are "Everest".
 
  • Here I should mention that living such a long way from my work, I decided to look about for a house nearer to the factory, and my attention was drawn to a house called "Everest", owned by a Mr. Logemann, Chief Chemist at the factory, and which had been standing empty for some months. I approached the owner, and obtained the key, and having a day off work, Mum and I went together to inspect it. The name "Everest" at once intrigued us both, for had we not looked on this famous mountain often whilst living at Darjeeling, and after looking over the rooms, and noting the gorgeous view, surrounding the place, we decided to take it providing the rent was reasonable, and as this was quoted at 6 pounds per month, plus water rates, we jumped at the chance, and never had cause to regret it, for have we not lived here continuously ever since 1928, and as I write, the year is 1957.
  • Our first exciting happening at "Everest" was the marriage of George to his sweetheart ofsome year standing - Violet Knights. They had been playmates together whilst we were in the Regiment, as also had been Tom and Jean Wallace. Jean's father was the Pipe Major, and Violet's Dad was the Band Sergeant.
Janet Lawson Groves tragically passes away in South Africa in 1930 at the tender age of 49.
 
  • And now I come to the greatest tragedy that happened during the whole of my life - this was the very sudden passing of my dearly beloved wife. . I carried Mum out to the car and held her on my lap until we reached the old Somerset Hospital, where she was put to bed, and I was allowed to sit beside her during the whole of that day, and right through the night, and all that I could do during this time was to feed her with sips of orange juice. It was an eerie vigil, but I was most thankful for being allowed to be there until the last, which happened at daybreak. I then returned to home at Everest and shut myself in my room for a couple of days, and I was so utterly and completely broken up, and nothing or nobody could give me the comfort I had lost.
George and Violet return to England after the death of their Mom. Tom, who was living in South Africa at the time, decides to return to Scotland to marry Jean Ogilvey Wallace, on 18th July, 1930, taking residence in Milngavie, a suburb of Glasgow. Robert Wallace Groves is born on 25th July, 1937. The date of birth of elder brother Edward is not known at this stage but is assumed to have been a year or two earlier.
 
  • I then returned to "Everest"  and shut myself in my room for a couple of days, and I  was so utterly and completely broken up, and nothing or nobody could give me the comfort I had lost. The funeral passed, and shortly after George's ship sailed for home waters, Violet and Jeanne following later in a Union Castle ship. Later still, Tom, who had been working at a garage in Cape Town , and had been corresponding with Jean, decided to go home to Scotland. to marry Jean.

Two family scenes assumed to have been taken at "Everest". (L to R) (standing rear) Joan, Janet Lawson, Maggie, my father Edward Archibald, the youngest child and Jessie. Seated front are Mary and Sheila.

(L to R) My father, Edward Groves, Joan with Maggie's first-born Edward, nicknamed  "Miff", Sheila, Maggie and Jessie.

 

George and Violet on their wedding at "Everest" circa 1930.

"Everest" fun family photo. (L to R) My late father, Edward Groves, Maggie, Joand and Jessie.

"Dad" (Edward Groves) and the daughters (L to R) Mary, Maggie, Jessie, Joan and Sheila.

 

The 1929 marriage certificate of George Hugh Groves and Violet Knights at the Strand, Cape Province, South Africa.

 

The 1937 Glasgow-registered birth certificate of Robert Wallace Groves, which also provides the date of marriage of Thomas Edward Groves and Jean Ogilvey Wallace as 18th July, 1930.

 
Edward Groves buys a ticket on a ship bound for the United Kingdom but cancels his plans after he is re-employed by the company, who reimburse him for his fare. He moves on to another job setting up a new military camp at Pollsmoor, Cape Town, so his trip to the United Kingdom is put on hold for the time being.

 

Edward Groves's two sons Ted and Tom find themselves meeting up in Italy during the Second World War, in 1944, as photographs from Ted's own photographs albums illustrate. Both are in the RAF but is there in his capacity as a meteorologist.  Ted sends a photograph Signed "With Best Wishes, Ted '44".

 
Edward Groves eventually undertakes the trip only some 14 years after the passing of his wife, in 1946, after the end of the Second World War.  He travels to Durban, where his youngest son Edward Archibald Groves (Ted) and wife Ansie are resident, as Ted is working in the Met office at Stamford Airport, Durban. RMS Arundel Castle was a British ocean liner and Royal Mail Ship which entered service in 1921 for the Union-Castle Line. On the outbreak of war in 1939, she was requisitioned by the Admiralty to serve as a troopship. She survived the war unscathed. After being released by the Admiralty, she was converted back to a passenger liner to provide a service for emigrants traveling to South Africa. The end of that role in 1949 led to the ship being returned to her normal service between Southampton and Cape Town. The following website contains photographs of the ship docking in Cape Town. Records indicate that RMS Arundel Castle arrived in Durban on 6th July 1946 and left on 15th July 1946, arriving in Southampton on 6th August 1946...
 
  • The urge to carry out my intention of making the trip to England began to trouble and whilst I had the few pounds necessary, I began making enquiries, but I found it almost impossible to get a passage in any of the usual ships. After several days of visiting the shipping offices, always hoping there might be a canceled passage, I met an old officer friend in Adderley Street  one Capt. Slingsby, who, on hearing my story, told me of a Lieut. pal of his, in an office in Marks Buildings, who had the dealings with priority passages, and with a note from Capt. Slingsby, I made my  way up to this office, and was greeted at the door by this officer with the news that Slingsby had just telephoned him about me, and he then offered me a passage on a ship carrying troops on condition that I paid the fare and also that I wore uniform. I agreed at once. The ship was the Arundel Castle sailing from Durban, and to save me the train fare, he gave me a rail warrant from Cape Town  to Durban. As Ted was with the Met. Service in Durban, I wired him and was met on arrival, and as the ship was not sailing until the next day, I was put up for the night at his office, and the next morning we walked down town.............................the cost of the fare was 59 pounds, which I gladly paid. We then made our way to the ship, and I was shown to my berth.

Edward Groves boarding the Arundel Castle sailing to England from Durban, South Africa, seen off by his youngest son Edward Archibald Groves (Ted). The collage of photographs from a photograph album of Ted's shows the date of his departure as July, 1946. "Dad" as he will always be remembered...in uniform.

 
In London Edward Groves retraces the remnants of his family. Whilst looking for the last known address of his sister, Margaret, he first gets to meet his sister-in-law, Louie. Her late husband (Edward's younger brother Andrew) and sister Mary, who lived in Kent (possibly Goudhurst), had since passed on. The eldest brother, Thomas, born in 1870, is at an institution for the elderly at Whitchurch Mansion, run by the Theatrical Guild. Recent information has confirmed that "young Maggie" was Andrew and Louisa's daughter Margaret Louisa, born 1914, who had married Jack Leslie Turner..
 
  • I made my way by the underground railway towards Walworth Road, to the last address I knew where my sister Mag lived, but found that they had left, and nothing could be found of where they now lived. I called at the Council Chambers, where a search was made through their books, but without success, and I then commenced to walk the streets adjacent to their last address, questioning people who were out shopping and moving from street to street until I "struck oil". I found an old dame toddling home with her arms full of vegetables, and whilst I was putting the everlasting questions to her, a woman in a house opposite popped her head out of a first floor window and called out "Who are you looking for guvnor?" and when I mentioned the name Mr. Groves, she pointed her finger over to the house at which we were standing, and said "in there". And so ended the search, I knocked on the door which was immediately opened, and the girl, who as a tiny tot I had seen doing fairy dances to amuse my own daughters, stood before me. After a moment's hesitation, she turned towards a stairway and called excitedly "Mum, here's uncle Ted", and down the stairs came my sister-in-law, Louie.

  • I was taken in to their small front parlour, where, during a cup of tea, I was given all the news. My youngest brother, Andrew, had only recently died, after a severe illness, my eldest brother, Tom, was in an institution owned by the Theatrical Guild, and was said to be very happy and comfortable. My sister, Mag, was living at Hendon, North London, and my only other sister, Mary, had died at her house in Kent, where she is laid to rest. I visited her grave later, and met her daughter, Phyllis, and the two sons.

  • Finding that sister Mag was on the phone, we went to the nearest booth and called her, and when she answered, young Maggie said "Auntie Margaret, Uncle Ted's here" and handed me the receiver. As soon she heard my voice, I could hear nothing but choking sobs and when she calmed down, I arranged to meet her at the bus stop near her house the following day, it then being too late to do the trip that day. So I was given a shake down in Louie's house and that night when Maggie's husband Jack, arrived home from Lime Grove Studios, where he worked, we all adjourned to the local, where I was shown off to their many pals, and had a real good night.

He visits his sister Margaret, living in Hendon, North London, as well as brother Tom at Whitchurch Mansion, whilst being granted permission to take him home for a few days. He also gets to meet Tom's wife Alice, living with the children at Clapham Common.  It has been established that "Arthur", husband of Susie, is in fact a one Arthur Bottomley. Susan, presumed missing in WWII, is the same person who features in the photograph alongside "ma" Groves and is also listed in the Goudhurst census record for the Vine Hotel in 1911.
 
  • The next day I was about early and phoned to Mag to let her know what time I was leaving, and after breakfast I said good-bye to the family, jumped on a bus on the Walworth Road to the Elephant and Castle, where I booked on the underground to Hendon Central. Arriving there, I next took a bus, as I was told to do, to Aerodrome Road, and there I found sister Mag, looking very little different from when I had  last seen her. She made to grab my suitcase but I would have none of it, and as the house was mere hop, step and jump away, we walked towards it, talking excitedly until we reached home. I was intrigued with the type of house, and the valuable furnishings that were everywhere, until I heard that it had originally been built and owned by a Miss Margaret Yarde, a well-know actress of the day, and on her death it was left to Mag to live in for the rest of her life. Mag had been dresser to Miss Yarde for many years, and always accompanied her to the theatre at nights, all through the blitzes and bombings that were taking place, and besides the house she was drawing a small monthly amount from Miss Yarde's estate. How we talked that day, going over the bad old times we had suffered together, and roaring with laughter over some of the incidents. That evening I met the three granddaughters, Joan, Marjorie and Sheila, when they arrived home from work, and also Arthur, the husband of Susie. The last named has been missing for five years and nothing was ever heard of her again, and it assumed that she met her death in one of the many raids which had been prevalent in that quarter.

  • The following day, we all went to see my brother Tom. This was a three-bus ride, and a good long walk at the end. Arrived at the institution just after lunch time, and we were shown into a fairly large common room, where several men were taking an "easy". Some quietly dozing, others smoking, and Mag approached one elderly white-haired man and said "Hullo, Tom, I've brought a visitor from Africa to see you". Tom very seriously put forth his hand saying "How do you do, Sir". It took us some time to convince him who I was and after spending an hour with him, we approached the matron, and told her who I was, asking if it were not possible to have him home for a few days. She made certain conditions which we promised to abide by, and the next day, Mag and I chartered a taxi and we had Tom with us for a week. Whilst he was home with us, we took him over to see Louie, and we put in another night at the local, with Louie in good form. The next day I took Tom and Mag along to his old house at Hampstead. This house had been severely damaged by bombs, the whole front being blown in. Fortunately it was empty at the time, and when we arrived the repairs were completed. We met Tom's daughter Maggie and her husband, and after a few hours with them, we arranged to meet Tom's wife Alice, and the two sons and daughters at Alice's home in Clapton Common. We had little difficulty in finding the house, and when we entered we found Alice looking very fragile, but still full of beans, the two daughters with their several children and one son, Young Tom. We had a most convivial night, and left for Hendon and home after midnight. The next day we had to return Tom to the institution and I remember how the long walk across country to Whitchurch Mansion tired poor Tom and he was put to bed at once.

Over the period of several months, Edward Groves alternates between travels to Purbrook, Hampshire (Portsmouth) to visit George and Violet and Milngavie, a suburb of Glasgow, to see his son Tom and wife Jean. It is on his return from Scotland that he learns of the passing of his eldest brother Tom at the institution. He attends the funeral, which is assumed to have been December, 1946.
 
  • After a few more days at Jean's, I told them I would like to see George and Violet again, and so I booked a seat on a London bus, keeping my return rail ticket for another day. The busses left the terminus in Glasgow  at 11 p.m. and travelling through the night, arrived at the London terminus just after midday, taking much longer than the train.
  • I wired, telling daughter-in-law Violet (George's wife) that I would arrive by bus the next day, but we received a phone call from the Matron telling of my brother, Tom's death. He had been out walking in the snow, when he must have slipped and stunned himself. He was found dead by a local farmer, who had been a great friend of Tom's. He was buried in front of the institution, the family meeting in a funeral parlour, near to the cemetery. Shall I ever forget that day? The snow lay six inches thick on the ground, and it was pelting down the whole time. It was a Catholic Priest who conducted the service.

Back in London, Edward Groves decides to see in the New Year in Scotland with Tom and Jean, having spent Christmas with George and Violet. This is assumed to be December 1946 - January 1947.
 
  • After writing to tell George that I was going to Scotland again, I booked a seat on a bus and left the next day at 8 a.m. After having spent my Christmas at George's place, I had decided to see the New Year in at Tom's house, and after travelling all day with the whole country side completely covered in snow, I reached the Glasgow terminus late at night, but not too late to catch a Milngavie  bus. Arrangements for the New Year were well in hand, and we managed to buy a fine big turkey at the village butchers. It is surprising to see the amount of energy that the Scots put out to make their New Year successful, and here's a point to think on - I never met or heard of a family that did not have a bottle of whisky!
Whilst in Scotland, Edward Groves goes down with pneumonia and decides to return to South Africa, in early 1947.
 
  • The winter was considered to be the worst in a hundred years. I fell with a daddy of a dose of pneumonia. I think that with all the knocking about I had done in the past few months, I must have become run down, and an easy prey to a disease which I already had twice before. I was given a certificate by the Doctor stating that it would be greatly to my benefit if I were given a passage back to my home in South Africa .

A family group photo at "Everest". (L to R) (Rear standing) Mary, Joan and Sheila. Seated middle are Edward Groves, grandfather Wyllie and Maggie. Front seated my father Edward Archibald and Jessie.  The three children are those of Maggie and Edward Schmidt, "Miff" in front, "Pat", in the arms of mother Maggie and "Peggy", in the arms of grandfather Wyllie - all of these were nicknames. "Miff" was christened Edward Ernst Wyllie, "Pat" as Robin Densil, "Peggy" as Margaret and the youngest "Twiggy", as Thomas Brian.

On the steps at "Everest". (L to R) (Standing rear) Maggie and husband Edward Schmidt. Seated middle, an ageing and unwell Janet Lawson, who passed away in 1930, Sheila and grandfather Wyllie, father of Janet Lawson. Seated front are Mary and my father, Edward Archibald.

 

Edward Groves 1875 - 1961, as he will probably always be fondly remembered....in his uniform.

Janet Lawson Groves née Wyllie 1881- 1930, a fine, elegant Scottish lady.

A retired Edward Groves and one of his favourite pastimes, hand-crafted model shipbuilding - only one remains, which was fully restored and is in the possession of my eldest brother, Edward. In the background doing the washing is George Wyllie, father of Janet Lawson. He died in Somerset-West and is buried in the same grave at the Somerset-West cemetery, De Beers Avenue, Cape Town, South Africa. A number of decades ago I had been there to repair the tombstone, who had fallen over.

 
Edward Groves returns to civilian life. In the interim, "Everest" has been purchased. At some point he learns of Tom's intentions to emigrate from Scotland to South Africa with Jean and the two boys.
 
  • I turned my leisure time to carpentry, and did many worth-while jobs for local people, and the house, and having received news of Tom's decision to emigrate from Scotland  and join up with us, made plans for enlarging the house. This we did by adding one very large and one small room at the back.

We were in the midst of this when Tom, Jean and the two boys arrived. I made arrangements with Mr. Swart to run his lorry to the docks, and I accompanied him in. We arrived in time to find Tom having an argument with the customs, and we soon had everything fixed, and were on our way to the Strand where they were all settled in their rooms. The following day we had to return to Town to release their heavy luggage from the customs, and we left the keys of the cases with the agents, who railed the things to the Strand the next day.

Edward Groves sees out his days at "Everest" until he passes away on 16th July, 1961.
 

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